This seems a very British sort of thing, a multivolume encyclopedia of sporting activities, only somewhat smaller than the entire Britannica, which came out just earlier and was intended to cover all human knowledge.
For example: Volume 30: Rowing & Punting (1898, Rowing by Reginald Percy Pfeiffer
Rowe and Charles Murray Pitman with contributions by C. P. Serocold, F.
C. Begg & S. Le B. Smith, Punting by Peter Wyatt Squire) The names seem about perfect, staright out of Wodehouse.
Even more British are the author and character under "In Fiction" in the Wiki article.
Saturday, June 29, 2019
Old Links
I have decided that ten links at a pop is a bit much for most people's day, so I will be doing links in smaller batches, but more frequently.
Americans Are More Compassionate Than "Socially Conscious" Europeans. It is also interesting to see the three nations roughly tied for second. August 2013
Why Corporate Leaders Became Progressive Activists. March 2017
The Hate Group That Incited The Middlebury Melee. C'mon, take a guess. March 2017
What Inequality Doesn't Mean. March 2017
Americans Are More Compassionate Than "Socially Conscious" Europeans. It is also interesting to see the three nations roughly tied for second. August 2013
Why Corporate Leaders Became Progressive Activists. March 2017
The Hate Group That Incited The Middlebury Melee. C'mon, take a guess. March 2017
What Inequality Doesn't Mean. March 2017
Thursday, June 27, 2019
Hong Kong
This is political as well as Christian, and I don't know what the balance is among the people here. Mixed from person to person, I imagine. I have said for years that the church center moved from Europe to America, but has been moving to Asia during the last few decades. I hope they do well with it. It will be different than ours, but that is the way of both the world and the church.
The BBC has an update claiming that another song is the theme of the protestors. They don't mention this one. I can't say they are wrong, because people are clearly singing the other song as well in some videos, but all the news reports on the spot do not mention it.
I wonder if the BBC would rather that a secular song is the more important. Just wondering, given the data in front of me.
Younger Girl - Origins
John Sebastian loved Jug Band Music and gave it a blip of revival. Apparently, he also stole from it when he wanted to.
It's a fair bit like this tune, isn't it?
I loved the Spoonful, sang lots of their songs and had a few shirts like that.
It's a fair bit like this tune, isn't it?
I loved the Spoonful, sang lots of their songs and had a few shirts like that.
Tuesday, June 25, 2019
Waterloo
Hmm, entire front page is devoid of color. I am giving an entirely too text-heavy intellectual impression. Can't have that.
I read that their 40th Anniversary album has just come out.
Update: It occurs to me, in Agnetha and Anni-Frid's slightly-risque suggestion of losing and surrender, that they are winking at us about seduction. I ask you - do they seem oppressed? Do they seem not in control of their destinies?
It is the others, I suppose, who have not their social skills and force of character, who the self-appointed protectors are are worried about. Still, I wonder if the new balancing acts are any saner or fairer.
More Old Links
Megan McArdle just after the Brexit vote. This holds up very well, and includes a structural weakness of betting markets and why some Americans care about Brexit. It was behind Bloomberg's paywall, so I got another link. June 2016.
Hmm, the old links are getting newer.
A Federalist review of Heather MacDonald's The War on Cops. August 2016
Just an FBI table I use when people don't believe my claims about crime statistics. It covers 2012. I usually browse around for newer or slightly different things from this starting point.
When Netanyahu wasn't exaggerating after all. September 2016
Noel Field, Communist Quaker. An American elite Stalinist. I think of Pete Seeger when I read things like this. September 2016
Breitbart on Obama's Birth. Andrew believed, as do I, that Obama was born in Hawaii. But his own literary agent in 1991 claimed he was born in Kenya. Barack played a lot of 3-card Monte with is history, depending on current need. May 2012
Washington Post Archive. There Is No Possible Way Donald Trump's Team Actually Believes This Is Their Path To 270. Thetone is unmistakable. October 2016
John Tierney, who was the NYT science editor, describes The Real War on Science. Autumn 2016
Democrats three times more likely to unfriend people. Some of us know this from personal experience. However, as I am now off FB, I suppose I have unfriended everyone. I don't miss it, BTW. December 2016
Why Europe Rose. A longer article, popular academic, with footnotes. The illustration at the top must be by Peter Spier, though he is not credited. You can tell by all the pretty, clean mud in the village. December 2016.
Hmm, the old links are getting newer.
A Federalist review of Heather MacDonald's The War on Cops. August 2016
Just an FBI table I use when people don't believe my claims about crime statistics. It covers 2012. I usually browse around for newer or slightly different things from this starting point.
When Netanyahu wasn't exaggerating after all. September 2016
Noel Field, Communist Quaker. An American elite Stalinist. I think of Pete Seeger when I read things like this. September 2016
Breitbart on Obama's Birth. Andrew believed, as do I, that Obama was born in Hawaii. But his own literary agent in 1991 claimed he was born in Kenya. Barack played a lot of 3-card Monte with is history, depending on current need. May 2012
Washington Post Archive. There Is No Possible Way Donald Trump's Team Actually Believes This Is Their Path To 270. Thetone is unmistakable. October 2016
John Tierney, who was the NYT science editor, describes The Real War on Science. Autumn 2016
Democrats three times more likely to unfriend people. Some of us know this from personal experience. However, as I am now off FB, I suppose I have unfriended everyone. I don't miss it, BTW. December 2016
Why Europe Rose. A longer article, popular academic, with footnotes. The illustration at the top must be by Peter Spier, though he is not credited. You can tell by all the pretty, clean mud in the village. December 2016.
Monday, June 24, 2019
Denmark: It Depends How You Spin It
Well, this makes it all sound very chummy and kindly. How enlightened. How European. How all-work-together socialist. Not like the unfortunate Americans.
Then again, if you describe the same thing from a different angle you get this.
I once got in mild trouble at work during a training, as the outside instructor gave a test to us about cooperativeness, and mentioned after we were discussing it that a class of Russians had done very well on the test. "Which isn't that surprising, coming from a background of everyone working together for the good of others." I was harsh in correcting her, and she looked very surprised that I didn't know this about people under communism, because didn't everyone? She didn't get that people under communism get very good at telling outside authorities exactly what they want to hear.
A friend studied in Sweden years ago and loved the place. People were kind, they were hospitable. Then at Christmas every house on his street was decorated in exactly the same way, and he decided it was best not to make his home there. Nobody makes them do that, but it tells you how much they value sticking together. There is very generous support for new mothers (and now new fathers, I believe), but there is also a strong cultural value of hard work, and you are expected to contribute back to those who come after when you go back to work. Great system until people don't want to pay back quite so much. In Norway they like togetherness so much they even take your children away if you aren't assimilating properly. (They got them back seven months later.)
I am not saying that Scandinavians are all crytpto-nazis, and that singing together, community spirit and untranslatable* "togetherness" are bad things. It sounds good overall. The Danes are very nice people. I don't buy that repeated myth that they and the other Scandinavians are the happiest people in the world - the suicide rates are too high, for one thing. Also, they consider it a matter of national honor to say how great life is. Which I suppose is a type of happiness, to be part of something bigger than yourself and be willing to swallow your own pain for the greater good. It's not a lie to call themselves happy - they aren't the most miserable people by any stretch - but it pays to be a teensy bit skeptical.
I wish Americans could actually do more of this sort of group cultural bonding. We used to in the old days, but decided it was a little oppressive, especially after seeing how bad it could get with Nazis and Soviets. We err on the side of not going down that road now. We have lost something, I suspect. But I don't like liberals or conservatives hyping this sort of togetherness without considering what could go wrong.
*It occurs to me that I have become more suspicious of these supposedly untranslatable words over the years. The first I ran across was gemutlichkeit in high school German. It doesn't translate into a single word or even a few, but it's not that hard. It just takes sentences instead of phrases. Hardly surprising. I wonder how much of "untranslatable" is just "You wouldn't understand it because you haven't been there. It's really good, but when I put words to it it doesn't sound as amazing." Yeah, when you try to put it in actual words, it doesn't sound so amazing.
Then again, if you describe the same thing from a different angle you get this.
I once got in mild trouble at work during a training, as the outside instructor gave a test to us about cooperativeness, and mentioned after we were discussing it that a class of Russians had done very well on the test. "Which isn't that surprising, coming from a background of everyone working together for the good of others." I was harsh in correcting her, and she looked very surprised that I didn't know this about people under communism, because didn't everyone? She didn't get that people under communism get very good at telling outside authorities exactly what they want to hear.
A friend studied in Sweden years ago and loved the place. People were kind, they were hospitable. Then at Christmas every house on his street was decorated in exactly the same way, and he decided it was best not to make his home there. Nobody makes them do that, but it tells you how much they value sticking together. There is very generous support for new mothers (and now new fathers, I believe), but there is also a strong cultural value of hard work, and you are expected to contribute back to those who come after when you go back to work. Great system until people don't want to pay back quite so much. In Norway they like togetherness so much they even take your children away if you aren't assimilating properly. (They got them back seven months later.)
I am not saying that Scandinavians are all crytpto-nazis, and that singing together, community spirit and untranslatable* "togetherness" are bad things. It sounds good overall. The Danes are very nice people. I don't buy that repeated myth that they and the other Scandinavians are the happiest people in the world - the suicide rates are too high, for one thing. Also, they consider it a matter of national honor to say how great life is. Which I suppose is a type of happiness, to be part of something bigger than yourself and be willing to swallow your own pain for the greater good. It's not a lie to call themselves happy - they aren't the most miserable people by any stretch - but it pays to be a teensy bit skeptical.
I wish Americans could actually do more of this sort of group cultural bonding. We used to in the old days, but decided it was a little oppressive, especially after seeing how bad it could get with Nazis and Soviets. We err on the side of not going down that road now. We have lost something, I suspect. But I don't like liberals or conservatives hyping this sort of togetherness without considering what could go wrong.
*It occurs to me that I have become more suspicious of these supposedly untranslatable words over the years. The first I ran across was gemutlichkeit in high school German. It doesn't translate into a single word or even a few, but it's not that hard. It just takes sentences instead of phrases. Hardly surprising. I wonder how much of "untranslatable" is just "You wouldn't understand it because you haven't been there. It's really good, but when I put words to it it doesn't sound as amazing." Yeah, when you try to put it in actual words, it doesn't sound so amazing.
Saturday, June 22, 2019
Fair Play
There is an odd irony in the history of remarks by Joe Biden. He has been all over the map, saying what he thinks he needs to at the time to please as many as he can while offending as few as he can. I don't think you can quite say that he went native in DC, as one might say about Al Gore or John McCain. It is more that he knows how to schmooze voters. I suppose if you are going to sell out and have no principles, it is better to sell out to the people than to the rulers. Though there is that Delaware/credit card companies history that undermines my argument there.
He is getting excoriated for things he said in the past, and I have heard more than one Republican defend him, however reluctantly, as in I'm no fan of Joe Biden, but his comment wasn't that crazy at the time and it's being taken out of context. I completely get the impulse to be evenhanded and strive for fair play in all things. But it's not as if he has principles he is standing on, then or now.
He is getting excoriated for things he said in the past, and I have heard more than one Republican defend him, however reluctantly, as in I'm no fan of Joe Biden, but his comment wasn't that crazy at the time and it's being taken out of context. I completely get the impulse to be evenhanded and strive for fair play in all things. But it's not as if he has principles he is standing on, then or now.
Boxing
Boxing seems to have made a comeback, against all expectations. MMA and other hybrid fighting sports were supposed to have pushed it aside, but somehow, people care about a variety of weight divisions again. In the 1950s in America, boxing and thoroughbred racing were big televised sports. I recall the tail end of that in my own 1960s glued-to-the-screen era. But after Hagler-Leonard and Tyson-Holyfield things trended downward. A few fighters were dramatic enough to buck the trend, but not many.
I suspect the resurgence owes much to the internationalism of watching matches live. Other countries have gotten involved and bring their own fan bases in.
Tyson Fury is pretty amazing and it is fun to imagine him against Ali, Marciano, Louis. He is enormous and very powerful, but a lot of fighters have been big. He is also a skilled boxer, which the large ones seldom are. He is not as skilled as a Mike Tyson or a George Foreman was, but he's no slouch. That, and his amazing reach and power make him interesting to speculate about.
I suspect the resurgence owes much to the internationalism of watching matches live. Other countries have gotten involved and bring their own fan bases in.
Tyson Fury is pretty amazing and it is fun to imagine him against Ali, Marciano, Louis. He is enormous and very powerful, but a lot of fighters have been big. He is also a skilled boxer, which the large ones seldom are. He is not as skilled as a Mike Tyson or a George Foreman was, but he's no slouch. That, and his amazing reach and power make him interesting to speculate about.
Being Irish
I could have picked another ethnicity to make the same point - being Greek, being Swedish - but the information about the Irish immigration to America is the most generally known.
I wrote in a recent post about our many group identities, noting that these are not as stable as we pretend. There was a long migration from Ireland to America in the 19th C. We picture this as a trickle growing to a flood at the time of the great famine in the 1840s and 50s, then subsiding. It is much more complicated, and when we assemble the pieces we have a clearer picture of how great a change in meaning it was for a person to think of himself as Irish in 1800 versus 1900. When we look nostalgically back at the Auld Sod, even if we have never been there, we think of the items of continuity. Instruments and music, foods, remembered historical events, accents and scraps of language, legends, and decorative items. Those items themselves change over time - what we think of as Irish music or Irish legends are not that similar to what even my parents' generation would have thought in their youth, because Celtic revival has brought back intentional elements from many centuries. Corned beef is more Irish-American, because it was a luxury for export in Ireland, not affordable by the Irishmen resentfully packing it. Thus even the supposedly solid ground is marshy.
There was considerable migration from Ireland well before the famine and well after it. The numbers were about doubled, occasionally tripled to America in the most intense years. In 1800 an Irishman seeking fortune or even just survival might think "I could go to America," and would know some who had already done so. He might first internally migrate to Dublin seeking work, or cross eastward and try to find work in Liverpool, Manchester, or London. Australia and Canada were also possible.
There was also back-migration, of people returning to Ireland after having made money, or failing to make money, in one of those places. Some went back and forth a few times. They came back different. Their fathers and grandfathers would have thought of themselves as O'Tooles from County Wicklow or even from a small cluster of villages, but they would have thought of themselves as more generically Irish. They would know different versions of the old songs, Irish music from Mayo never heard in Cork, and even Irish music written in London or New York. They would have done entirely new jobs, seen different places, and not shared in the joys and sorrows of the events in the intervening years. They had married a woman from another part of Ireland who made food a slightly different way. Or was not Irish at all. To be Irish meant something different to them not only than it had to their grandfathers, but even their brothers and sisters.
To be Irish in New York in 1900 likely meant never having seen Ireland, and speaking little if any Gaelic. Yet they perceived themselves as a separate and identifiable group, and some still do. They would also know Americans who only vaguely knew they were at all Irish. "Oh is Cody an Irish name? I always thought it was English."
This on top of the changes that happened to everyone in that century, as new technologies came into use and nationalisms became increasingly important.
Tangential note: America has had the advantage in tying its heritage to ideas, principles, and written documents. This is not entirely so, as Americans also define themselves according to historical events and geography, but it is more true of us than of others. As those abstracts become less unifying, I'm not sure what we have left, as even the history and geography are seen differently. Even myths have their usefulness.
I wrote in a recent post about our many group identities, noting that these are not as stable as we pretend. There was a long migration from Ireland to America in the 19th C. We picture this as a trickle growing to a flood at the time of the great famine in the 1840s and 50s, then subsiding. It is much more complicated, and when we assemble the pieces we have a clearer picture of how great a change in meaning it was for a person to think of himself as Irish in 1800 versus 1900. When we look nostalgically back at the Auld Sod, even if we have never been there, we think of the items of continuity. Instruments and music, foods, remembered historical events, accents and scraps of language, legends, and decorative items. Those items themselves change over time - what we think of as Irish music or Irish legends are not that similar to what even my parents' generation would have thought in their youth, because Celtic revival has brought back intentional elements from many centuries. Corned beef is more Irish-American, because it was a luxury for export in Ireland, not affordable by the Irishmen resentfully packing it. Thus even the supposedly solid ground is marshy.
There was considerable migration from Ireland well before the famine and well after it. The numbers were about doubled, occasionally tripled to America in the most intense years. In 1800 an Irishman seeking fortune or even just survival might think "I could go to America," and would know some who had already done so. He might first internally migrate to Dublin seeking work, or cross eastward and try to find work in Liverpool, Manchester, or London. Australia and Canada were also possible.
There was also back-migration, of people returning to Ireland after having made money, or failing to make money, in one of those places. Some went back and forth a few times. They came back different. Their fathers and grandfathers would have thought of themselves as O'Tooles from County Wicklow or even from a small cluster of villages, but they would have thought of themselves as more generically Irish. They would know different versions of the old songs, Irish music from Mayo never heard in Cork, and even Irish music written in London or New York. They would have done entirely new jobs, seen different places, and not shared in the joys and sorrows of the events in the intervening years. They had married a woman from another part of Ireland who made food a slightly different way. Or was not Irish at all. To be Irish meant something different to them not only than it had to their grandfathers, but even their brothers and sisters.
To be Irish in New York in 1900 likely meant never having seen Ireland, and speaking little if any Gaelic. Yet they perceived themselves as a separate and identifiable group, and some still do. They would also know Americans who only vaguely knew they were at all Irish. "Oh is Cody an Irish name? I always thought it was English."
This on top of the changes that happened to everyone in that century, as new technologies came into use and nationalisms became increasingly important.
Tangential note: America has had the advantage in tying its heritage to ideas, principles, and written documents. This is not entirely so, as Americans also define themselves according to historical events and geography, but it is more true of us than of others. As those abstracts become less unifying, I'm not sure what we have left, as even the history and geography are seen differently. Even myths have their usefulness.
Friday, June 21, 2019
American Religion
We say that people make a religion of something, usually as
a metaphor and with some humor. I was
speaking to an English co-worker about my reading up on cricket a few years
ago, just to have an idea about how it is played. “If you haven’t understood that it’s a
religion, you haven’t yet understood it” he told me. Or in the American South,
football. Americans “have a love affair”
with their cars or with guns, but we say that “Money is a religion” to many,
even with reference to “The Almighty Dollar.” I didn’t say it was always
humorous, or kindly humor. I have called
liberalism a religion among my Arts & Humanities tribe. We say that she worships power, or that he
would sell his soul for a commission.
I propose that education is our religion, and not as a mere
metaphor. Schools are the churches, at
the younger levels. At the collegiate level, departments are more like denominations than individual schools
are. State universities teach very similar things in aggregate, but classical
studies is different from chemistry is different from history. There has long been some objection to parents
sending their young children to private schools, but nothing like the objection
to homeschooling. That was considered
to be no schooling, to be undermining
the foundations of society. Yes, people wanted to support teachers and their
unions, who have a vested interest, but the intensity of opposition was out of
proportion. I suggest that because
homeschooling often occurred in the context of religious belief, it was the
attempt to opt out of the culture’s real religion that set off the heresy
bells.
When libertarians try to remove or weaken credentialing or
licensing, they encounter resistance because those in the profession have a
self-interest to protect, certainly. But the outrage and horror at the
suggestion carries some sense that blasphemy is being uttered. The people who
have received an education on the
subject are the experts, even if the education is outmoded, irrelevant, and
inaccurate. It’s their ticket. They
followed the right steps. It is a world in good order. It is not just the default position that those
who got training know more – a reasonable starting point – but that the
training should still hold weight even after it has been shown to be
unnecessary. Even when we know it’s useless, we cling to it. This tells us it has a deeper meaning and
significance.
The amount of money we spend, to the point of voluntarily
impoverishing many; in addition, what we spend at the local level; the
insistence we all have that we are experts on the subject; the requirement that
all children be trained, combined with some suspicion that one can go too far
and lose touch with the common folk (though we are proud when it is our
children who do so); we have suspicion of informal education yet also admire some
who engage in it, much as we fund seminaries while praising simple saints.
The Early Church
A friend with a PhD in New Testament studies once clearly explained to me, in the context of why we should not take Tony Campolo's word for it that the early church was pacifist, "If someone asked you to describe what the 20th C church believed, what would you say?" I didn't answer, likely having an uncertain look. Imagine yourself grimacing slightly and shaking your head a bit. "The same was true of the 1st C church," he said. "They believed a lot of different things."
Forgetting
Forgetting is better for us than we think. All our energy is pointed toward remembering
– we furrow our brow, ask others for clues to the word or person that we cannot
bring into focus. We admire good memory, we are ashamed of things we have forgotten. Yet wouldn’t it be better if we didn’t
remember things done against us? There
are major rivers in psychology dedicated to remembering things in order to
reconstruct them and make sense out of them, to the point of seeking to recover
lost memories. These methods have been
disastrous. If you were fortunate enough
to forget some trauma or bad experience, be grateful. Do not seek for it now. There may be times when it is best to forget
things we have done ourselves, good or evil.
If I had murdered someone, it would not be good to forget that the thing
had happened, but wouldn’t it be best to turn the mind from all pictures and
sounds of the event as they occurred to us?
We might not erase it, but we could make it fuzzy over time. Our memories are inaccurate anyway,
reassemblings of previous material each time.
Why preserve paintings that are only copies of copies?
On a tribal level, wouldn’t it be better if a group did not
continue to hold resentments of things that happened to “them” 50 years ago, or
500? Aren’t we better off that Americans, Germans, and Japanese people speak
easily and comfortably with each other now, with no thought of warfare, even
though there are a few who still hold it in living memory? I think Americans in
general have shown it is possible to remember heroism and some military and
cultural lessons while still leaving that past and going on to fresh business. Our group identities can change rapidly,
though we still hold to names that meant something entirely different even a
few decades ago. To be a doctor a
hundred years ago is not the same thing now, to be a New Hampshireman is not
the same, to be a Lutheran or homemaker or grandfather. Even labels that have
considerable persistence, such as “Christian,” “mother,” or “American” change
over time. If our individual memories
are faulty, how much more are our group memories. The one quote of George
Santayana’s that people remember* is “Those who cannot remember the past are
condemned to repeat it.” What if the opposite that is true, that it is those
who insist on remembering for years or even centuries who keep repeating the
same mistakes?
It may seem cruel or insensitive to tell individuals that
they would be better off forgetting some evil.
It has an air of “Get over it,” which is sibling to “It doesn’t really
matter,” and first cousin to “It wasn’t really wrong.” It doesn’t have to mean
that, however. It might be advised to others in true concern and kindness, with
no thought of excusing the sin whatever. In sports it is an advantage to forget
a misplay and keep going. From that we can also imagine mistakes in other
realms it is better to forget. Move on.
We might also advise people to forget successes – again, as coaches in sports
sometimes do. At work it might not be
best to remember too clearly that you got promoted so young or earned a big
bonus. That you remember how you got
there is valuable. Remembering the
awards and the adulation, not so much.
Groups should not rest on their laurels too much either, for
similar reasons of arrogance. Also, we
as individuals may have had very little to do with even the current successes
of our group, never mind the great deeds of our forerunners, to which we
contributed nothing.
I think very highly of preserving history. I have quoted CS
Lewis “On The Reading of Old Books” many times.
Perhaps I am wrong. Not that
nothing should be preserved, but that preservation is overvalued. It may not contribute what we pretend neither
to individuals nor the common good. It is good to have points of comparison, a
sense of continuity, some hint of direction, yes. Do we have too much? Or more
likely, do we have the wrong sort of remembering, letting the grain fall to the
ground while we clutch the husks?
*George deserves better.
He is the actual originator of this common quote: “Fanaticism consists
of redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim.”
Thursday, June 20, 2019
Teresa
I answered a woman on Quora who is having hallucinations and is having trouble getting the proper treatment. She says she is sad and I am the only person who listened to her. Please pray for her.
One Beer Short
At the close of guy's beer night tonight, commenter engineerlite noted "We were one beer short of solving all the problems of the world. We'll have to convene again next week."
Reparations
Reparations comes into the news now and again, and there is a run on it lately. I recall Grim making a sincere effort about a year ago to acknowledge what reasonableness he could and seek some discussion on the matter. My recollection is his own readers were harsh about that, but I think the effort should be applauded. I have an attorney friend who works for the NH Supreme Court, and part of his job is to seek out cases that might have some interesting principle to be explored, even if they ultimately failed. I continue to believe that if you can get two SCOTUS justices to vote in your favor there is at least something defensible about your theory, even if it will never be strong enough to carry the day. It is half-truths that give us more trouble than flat lies, after all. Marxism has some power of persuasion because it is essentially an heretical form of Christianity.
People think reparations must be fair because black people have less than white ones, even after the eliminations of great swaths of official prejudice. Because some explanations for this are not allowed, the idea that past mistreatment must be part of the reason remains standing, even when evidence goes against it.
I would like to add one bit to the discussion. Not the most important one, perhaps, but worth noting. The idea that people got rich off slavery is flawed. Slaves provided an enormous amount of labor, rewarded only by deeply inadequate shelter and food. If we were to compute the value of that in terms of wages to be paid, it would be a very large amount. However, if we compute it differently, in terms of "at the end of the year, how much more value did slaveowners have," the number would be far less. The system wasn't that efficient and slaveowners weren't all that smart. In the more genteel areas, such as Virginia and Maryland, slaveowners did get very inexpensive servants and this increased their standard of living. (Supporting aged slaves and children of slaves curt into this somewhat, but it was still cheap.) In Mississippi and other cotton-growing states after the invention of the cotton gin, however, nobody made much of anything. Whatever money they made went into buying more slaves and more land, but the owners still had terrible shelter, terrible food, no education for themselves or children, little furniture, fine clothing. Some people made money off them and had nice things, but this was concentrated in a very few areas.
We can see this more clearly if we think in terms of medieval European warfare, where dukes and princes hired armies at great expense in a seemingly endless series of battles and campaigns to conquer territory from each other. They frequently bankrupted each other, the soldiers spent their pay on drink and women, and often, a lot of money was spent but no one was better off and a lot of people were dead. Just because work was done and money spent does not mean that anyone benefited. Look also to businesses that people start. They put in real work, requiring real skill, but ten years later, nobody has made anything. Work is often good for success, but there isn't a linear relationship with profit. Look around you friends, families, and near ancestors and you can see that it is possible to work very hard and still not prosper. That was even more true in history, when people had fewer choices and were less free, than it is today.
I don't want to overpaint this, that no one made anything, and America had the same standard of living it would have had otherwise. People made money. People did better. In the older coastal areas where slaves were a cultural replacement for servants, the First Families of Virginia lived better at the time, but made their fortunes to pass on to later generations. One of the interesting things is that under the free market, even slaves had a higher standard of living, gradually, decade after decade. It's a pretty good advertisement for "capitalism," that even when people don't care about you and sometimes even actively oppress you, your standard of living still goes up. The North did well off the South, though they might have done about as well either way. The gradual rise was real - but separating out what was advancement because of freedom and what was advancement because of slavery is not only difficult, but impossible to sort out.
Yet in the end, even outside of the terrible discussions of who should be billed and who should be compensated, there is the question of how much difference it all made.
People think reparations must be fair because black people have less than white ones, even after the eliminations of great swaths of official prejudice. Because some explanations for this are not allowed, the idea that past mistreatment must be part of the reason remains standing, even when evidence goes against it.
I would like to add one bit to the discussion. Not the most important one, perhaps, but worth noting. The idea that people got rich off slavery is flawed. Slaves provided an enormous amount of labor, rewarded only by deeply inadequate shelter and food. If we were to compute the value of that in terms of wages to be paid, it would be a very large amount. However, if we compute it differently, in terms of "at the end of the year, how much more value did slaveowners have," the number would be far less. The system wasn't that efficient and slaveowners weren't all that smart. In the more genteel areas, such as Virginia and Maryland, slaveowners did get very inexpensive servants and this increased their standard of living. (Supporting aged slaves and children of slaves curt into this somewhat, but it was still cheap.) In Mississippi and other cotton-growing states after the invention of the cotton gin, however, nobody made much of anything. Whatever money they made went into buying more slaves and more land, but the owners still had terrible shelter, terrible food, no education for themselves or children, little furniture, fine clothing. Some people made money off them and had nice things, but this was concentrated in a very few areas.
We can see this more clearly if we think in terms of medieval European warfare, where dukes and princes hired armies at great expense in a seemingly endless series of battles and campaigns to conquer territory from each other. They frequently bankrupted each other, the soldiers spent their pay on drink and women, and often, a lot of money was spent but no one was better off and a lot of people were dead. Just because work was done and money spent does not mean that anyone benefited. Look also to businesses that people start. They put in real work, requiring real skill, but ten years later, nobody has made anything. Work is often good for success, but there isn't a linear relationship with profit. Look around you friends, families, and near ancestors and you can see that it is possible to work very hard and still not prosper. That was even more true in history, when people had fewer choices and were less free, than it is today.
I don't want to overpaint this, that no one made anything, and America had the same standard of living it would have had otherwise. People made money. People did better. In the older coastal areas where slaves were a cultural replacement for servants, the First Families of Virginia lived better at the time, but made their fortunes to pass on to later generations. One of the interesting things is that under the free market, even slaves had a higher standard of living, gradually, decade after decade. It's a pretty good advertisement for "capitalism," that even when people don't care about you and sometimes even actively oppress you, your standard of living still goes up. The North did well off the South, though they might have done about as well either way. The gradual rise was real - but separating out what was advancement because of freedom and what was advancement because of slavery is not only difficult, but impossible to sort out.
Yet in the end, even outside of the terrible discussions of who should be billed and who should be compensated, there is the question of how much difference it all made.
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