Sunday, July 06, 2025

Counteraccusations

I do not have all the facts and I am no expert. But I am wondering what we expect the people at the National Weather Service to do.  The first complaints I saw were that Trump's cuts had impaired their ability to respond. Then it quickly came out that no, they had extra people, and working extra hours. Their warnings were questioned.  No, they had major warnings twelve hours before and three hours before. Now the complaint is that they cry wolf so many times that people ignore them. So we want them to know a few days before that this is going to be the one where the river rises with unbelievable speed, and don't tell us about the others.

People in Florida ignore evacuation orders, or defy them, and even tell others "Oh, they always say that. I'm sick of evacuations. Did you know that sometimes people put themselves in more danger..." Up here, people make trips during blizzard warnings.  I've done it myself. Heck, I'm resourceful (not really). I can size things up in the moment pretty well. (Maybe average.) Tornadoes. High seas. So some people are always going to resist acting.  Others are going to panic and evacuate too easily.  Some are going to get sick of the warnings, some are going to insist they were never properly warned. Different people respond to different warning signals.  What is the warning schedule when the range of results is wide and people hear the same message differently?

What on earth do we expect them to do? 

7 comments:

james said...

And when the "get out of Dodge" warning is at 4am?

The Mad Soprano said...

I heard the story of one elderly man who refused to leave his home near Spirit Lake, even though it was darn clear that Mt. St. Helens was showing signs it was ready to erupt. He was of course killed in the pyroclastic surge.

james said...

Different time-scales, and he had lots of warnings. The camp people would surely have rousted the kids and run if they'd known.

Grim said...

I have been sad to see the "God curse them!" posts from people I know. It augurs badly.

Grim said...

I have been sad to see the "God curse them!" posts from people I know. It augurs badly.

Christopher B said...

james, maybe. Going from my summers as a camp counselor it is almost certain sufficient transportation for all would be a significant issue unless the camps have buses or trucks on hand, and even then it might not be enough. Unless you were assured of being able to get everyone out of the flood area entirely it would probably be a better idea to shelter in place, especially compared to being caught in the open on foot.

Aggie said...

"What on earth do we expect them to do?"

Take responsibility for their decisions and their actions. That's what makes a lot of people squirm and look to assign blame. NOAA puts out weather advisories on a county-by-county basis. Originally designed for a radio network, they are also picked up by TV and cell phone providers now. But cell phone coverage in the hill country is spotty, and people over-rely on their phones. The radios still work (it's called Special Area Message Encoding, S.A.M.E.), but even then, we'll have to wait to find out whether that system was capable of delivering evacuation warnings in sufficient time (I suspect not).

The sentiment about over-warning is a valid one I think - I get those obnoxious S.A.M.E. tones blaring out of my phone, only to be held captive to a Silver Alert (missing wandering senior) or Amber Alert (child abduction), or maybe the occasional Severe Weather Warning. The latter is about 1 in 10, so yeah - hijacking an Emergency Notification System to notify on an array of problems means that that over-utilization dilutes the attention span of the audience, and degrades the purpose and value of the system. It should be preserved for notifying populations of widespread approaching danger, and nothing else - unless an individual opts in for other notifications.