Monday, August 04, 2025

Eating Disorders

Also from Rob Henderson, some research showing that intrasexual competition is the main driver of eating disorders.

The stressor that had the biggest effect on women’s disordered eating—the strongest predictor of developing an eating disorder—wasn’t men or attention from men. It was the presence of attractive women, of perceived romantic rivals. (source here and here).

I worked with lots of women with eating disorders, but was often kept at arm's length by other staff. We had a fair balance of male and female psychiatrists, but the MD's who handled direct medical were much more likely to be male.  Those males were involved of necessity, but in the other departments the bias toward women practitioners was overt.  Nurses and social workers are usually women anyway, but even in that context men would get elbowed out.  Female social workers would quickly volunteer - or insert themselves - if an eating-disorders client fell by luck-of-the-draw to me. Male nurses and psychologists would quietly note this to each other, but we all knew it just wasn't worth challenging.  Female clinicians get very energised about this and will elbow you out. For years I vaguely reasoned that I didn't know much in this area anyway, and these women by their energy gave off that they had paid a lot of attention to the disorders and knew a lot. It took a long time for me to notice that success was hard to come by in this frustrating area, and battles royale involved lots of angry people all quite sure that their approach was better.  

Not only was each school's adherents sure that they had the best theory, they were also convinced that the other camp's ideas were the worst and most damaging plans possible. So I wasn't too unhappy to be left out of those discussions. It often reduced to which female nurse could exert the most dominance, regardless of official hierarchy.

There was always some idea that one origin of the various disorders was that the idea that women should be thin had gotten blown out of proportion, and that the patient was not fully rational about this.  She had read too many girl's magazines or watched too many movies.  It was patriarchal expectations of men who wanted subordinate women.  It was her overbearing mother. It was the woman's need for control over her environment in other areas, such as sex, and was a red flag for having been sexually abused. I never heard anyone comment that perhaps it was because one or all of her sister's were pretty, though that would seem to be a thing people would notice.

I have written about intrasexual competition before, in late 2022, with the surprising revelation that we have long overlooked how much time women and men spent with only their own sex over thousands of years.  Lazily or unconsciously, we assume that our experiences over the last hundred or so years has been the norm for millennia. Not so. The idea that this is derived from a disordered version of genetic structures, perhaps set off by culture but not originating there, responding to other environmental cues such as who you live with and go to school with is intriguing to me.  So far it seems to be a strong association, but teasing out causation is going to be tricky.

11 comments:

The Mad Soprano said...

I remember reading that Empress Elisabeth of Austria-Hungary became anorexic after dealing her overbearing mother-in-law Sophie.

David Foster said...

"We have long overlooked how much time women and men spent with only their own sex over thousands of years" Someone in a blog discussion suggested a humans-and-horses analogy: in a group ride, there are three kinds of communication going on--human to human, human to horse, and horse to horse.

Christopher B said...

This goes with the observation that women are as much and maybe more concerned with what other women think about their looks as men.

Earl Wajenberg said...

Embodied in numerous gags about women noting every detail about what the other women at a function were wearing, while the man she's talking to about it just vaguely assumes they were wearing something or he would have noticed.

Dr. Red Guy said...

Sounds like a bit from Seinfeld, in which the guys were explaining to Elaine what 'wedgies' are. The question then followed, "Girls didn't do that to each other in high school?" "No, we would just tease someone until they developed an eating disorder."

And to follow on to Christopher B., it seems, based on my own, and anecdotal experience, that males generally do not make comments to females about their weight, at least not in public or regular conversation. And while I don't know what women talk about amongst themselves, I've been around lots of conversations (usually family) in which women talk about their own weight (and appearance), and the weight of others present.

Assistant Village Idiot said...

@Earl - or the reverse where the newspaper account of the wedding, after describing the groom's attire in detail, finishes with "the bride wore something white."

I do think there is a continuum on this. There are women who do dress for men, especially for a particular man.

james said...

https://comicskingdom.com/mallard-fillmore/1998-10-09

The Mad Soprano said...

There's a verse in the song Wild Night: "The girls walk up and down the street, all dressed up for each other."

Kevin said...

Very interesting. Another example of why this site is worthwhile.
You felt the vibes at your workplace? Ha.
Might as well speak rationally to Agamemnon or Achilles. The Trojan War only took ten years. Females can be irrational a lot longer than that.
Kevin

bs king said...

Out of curiosity, which eating disorders were you seeing this with? I have a running theory that some follow the addiction pathway and are closer to alcoholism, but I’m guessing I’m thinking of a different subset than ends up in inpatient psych.

Assistant Village Idiot said...

Anorexia nervosa to dangerous levels. Usually chronic rather than episodic.

We would have male anorexics and female bulimics, but that were usually secondary symptoms to depression or a personality disorder, not what brought them into the hospital. With any chronic behavior it becomes hard to separate out if the reward system changed from what started the behavior and now behaves more like addiction. I worked with a couple of psychiatrists - both female, if that is relevant - who were quite focused on that.