If Americans had previously high immunity against
coronaviruses that only gets overwhelmed under extreme conditions, like intense
contact (long indoor exposure) or extreme age-related or medical problems, that
would both advance and set back the high-volume arguments around the
league. OTOH, if other countries aredemonstrating higher immunity,
that would show the opposite, that the deeply desired “herd immunity” might
elude us and make us more vulnerable for reinfection. There would not have been any good way to
know that we were more, or less susceptible than other countries when the virus
was beginning to threaten us in February, so the high estimates of infection
would have been justifiable. I did see a
few predictions that Americans were in a better position for behavioral and
cultural reasons – less multigenerational housing, better handwashing and
distancing to begin with, better care for the elderly, things like that – but
nothing I recall that said “We are at more/ less risk because we have better
overall immunity or better coronavirus immunity than other places – including
the immigrant populations of Europe.”
Yet even had we known such a thing was true I don’t know if
the recommendations would have been hugely different. It would still have meant shutting borders
and reducing indoor exposure pretty drastically – restaurants, hotels, schools,
grocery, retail, offices. Though maybe there wouldn’t have been so much energy
and fewer places would have done it.
Great for low-risk places, sucks for high-risk places, if only we knew
which was which.
It might provide some explanation for the odd testing results that pop up ,
suggesting that many more people have been exposed than we think. Could those be false positives of related
diseases (so I guess “partly false” positives), but not a bad thing, because
those also provided some immunity? It would also throw off any current
estimates what would constitute immunity for an individual, and thus, what
would constitute herd immunity. If this is going to turn on widely varying
immunities, it’s going to be tough to sort out. I have been thinking of the
widely varied questions they ask us when we give blood, highlighting that risk
is not just one thing.
It might give all of us increased confidence in terms of
reopening, or how we might respond to a reemergence. Or less confidence, but
resignation that we will simply be repeatedly hit while other nations get off
easier.
Here is a difficulty:
If the natural immune systems of some people knocked C19 or some version
of it back without even having to develop antibodies, are they immune from
reinfection with higher viral load – or not?
Start watching for the term “Cross-immunity.” It may turn out to be key. Or it may just be one of those quaint ideas
we floated in late May of 2020.
Competing narratives.
If you are looking for a reason why North Americans might have better
immune systems overall than other countries, there is 1) general health, 2) a
more diverse population than just about anyone else in the world, 3) travel to
more places. How much do Europeans visit
South America? Do Asians visit the Caribbean all that much? African tourism is
dependent on…go, on, tell me. On the
other hand, Vietnam and Singapore might have enhanced immune systems against lots
of things because, well, they all seem to start in or near China, with its huge
population, and they are right next door.
Plus they are in contact with each other a fair bit. Choose your narrative. At present we don’t know.
I will note in passing the number of times I silently curse
people on threads who leap in to say “This obviously shows how we destroyed
entire economies for nothing…,” not noticing the number of times they have
already moved the goalposts and likely will continue to do so. Train yourself
to keep noticing the extreme words obviously, always, never, destroyed, etc. These are seldom justified. They are words people use to cut off argument, not encourage it.
Not to mention that no one has produced any convincing evidence that the economy has been destroyed.
ReplyDeleteSome people are hurting - no question. Some of the economic effects are going to be permanent - again no question.
But, other people are doing as well - or even better than - they ever had. That means there will be some opportunities for people to transition to different jobs than they had before.
There's a lot of temporarily suppressed economic demand that is going to bounce back, so record low year-over-year sales in some sectors does not mean that all of those sales are lost forever.
Doomsdayers can stack the deck with as many anecdotes about economic collapse as they like, but that's still not data, and it still doesn't establish that the economy is in fact destroyed.
Of course, pointing out that some of the concerns raised about economic effects of the shutdown may be over-wrought is not the same thing as saying the shutdown: a) should continue, b) was wisely carried out, or c) was well-supported by solid evidence and/or reasoning. Nor is it a claim that none of the anecdotes are true.
You already know all that of course, since you are one of the people most likely to make exactly these kind of points.
I really like it when people make my points better than I do. The people most insistent about the destruction of the economy would likely not appreciate my asking whether they or their businesses had pre-existing conditions that contributed to their downfall. An economy is necessarily interlocking, and one piece is built upon another. The difference between "complex interaction" and "house of cards" is not always easy to see. It is similar to the military cliche that amateurs study tactics while professionals study logistics. An economy is a hard thing to build, and the top levels of it get blown offf fairly often. But the fundamentals are important in building it back up again.
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