tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19305198.post4744502386532536337..comments2024-03-27T03:19:11.216-04:00Comments on Assistant Village Idiot: Good PeopleAssistant Village Idiothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01978011985085795099noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19305198.post-52190918660049516672013-01-20T19:23:58.860-05:002013-01-20T19:23:58.860-05:00SJ, poverty does correlate to crime more strongly ...SJ, poverty does correlate to crime more strongly in some studies, but even those, not by much.<br /><br />We do tend to have more than one topic at a time going, likely my fault. Crime, violent, crime, and homicide are strongly related, but not the same. Assistant Village Idiothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978011985085795099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19305198.post-23259875671608310812013-01-20T19:00:20.208-05:002013-01-20T19:00:20.208-05:00FWIW, in the list of nations with highest rates of...FWIW, in the list of nations with highest rates of homicide, there are many from Central America.<br /><br /><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate" rel="nofollow">See here</a>, and note the difference between former British colonies in the Caribbean and former Spanish colonies there. Or the higher rates for Venezuela and El Salvador than for many nations of Africa.<br /><br />That page also has homicide rates for regions inside the US, Canada, and some other countries. Two Canadian provinces have higher murder rates than their neighboring American states. (Compare Minnesota/North Dakota/Montana/Wyoming to Manitoba and Sasketchewan.)<br /><br />Even in the Wiki <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States" rel="nofollow">article</a> on race and crime in the U.S., it is noted that <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Racial_composition_of_geographic_areas" rel="nofollow">poverty correlates to crime</a> rates more strongly than race does. SJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12043843405366080460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19305198.post-27009657218518290012013-01-20T18:12:32.673-05:002013-01-20T18:12:32.673-05:00One would think that the breakdown in family struc...One would think that the breakdown in family structure, and specifically the absence of dads, would increase the homicide rate. But it doesn't seem to. It may increase the rates of other crime, including violent crimes such as rape and assault.<br /><br />As for the black/white breakdown, my point was that white homicide remains high in (far) Eastern Europe, or in Sicily, the southern parts of Italy and Iberia, and much of the Mediterranean. Those of African descent have somewhat worse, but not ridiculously worse, rates of homicide than everyone else in the world. It's that cohort of SOME Europeans which is ridiculously low. Those happen to be the early immigrant populations of America. American whites are not only a European, but a generally Northern and Western European, people. After Great Britain there are plenty from Germany, the Low Countries, Scandinavia, and Central Europe. Many more Poles than Russians or Belorussians and Ukrainians. There are not many from Spain or Portugal, some but not an enormous amount from southern Italy, Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey. The (Yugo)slavs are largely recent.<br /><br />All this to say that it is the oddness of Dutchmen, Belgians, and Englishmen that is in play here, not the oddness of black people. Assistant Village Idiothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978011985085795099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19305198.post-4929918138735589732013-01-20T15:03:11.583-05:002013-01-20T15:03:11.583-05:00Just to check the block for replies.Just to check the block for replies.Sam L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00996809377798862214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19305198.post-29377835406819513362013-01-20T14:51:24.992-05:002013-01-20T14:51:24.992-05:00OK, I read hbd chick, then looked up the hajnal li...OK, I read hbd chick, then looked up the hajnal line, and I do not understand what comment of mine influence this post. Please to enlighten this ignorant soul?<br /><br />About your comment--are you saying the black murder rate has always been higher that the white? I thought the breakdown of the black family might be a cause of the higher rate.Sam L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00996809377798862214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19305198.post-76505755863021189792013-01-19T21:26:26.752-05:002013-01-19T21:26:26.752-05:00I believe not. It is not the black homicide rate ...I believe not. It is not the black homicide rate that is unusual, after all, but the inside-the-Hajnal-Line rate that is low. There are a very few other places in the world that also have low rates.<br /><br />This is a lot of what Pinker's <i>Better Angels</i> is about.Assistant Village Idiothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978011985085795099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19305198.post-61395493464475159522013-01-19T14:55:59.517-05:002013-01-19T14:55:59.517-05:00Something I have not seen is, what was the black m...Something I have not seen is, what was the black murder rate in the '20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s? Was there a jump in the '60s after the War On Poverty started, and the black marriage rate took a dive and black illegitimacy rates rose?Sam L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00996809377798862214noreply@blogger.com