tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19305198.post4425730424503191050..comments2024-03-27T03:19:11.216-04:00Comments on Assistant Village Idiot: Jonathan HaidtAssistant Village Idiothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01978011985085795099noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19305198.post-85984152482898379822014-01-05T22:59:42.038-05:002014-01-05T22:59:42.038-05:00Who said anything about obedience just because it ...Who said anything about obedience just because it is authority?<br /><br />You claim liberals would agree that the things they find disgusting have a moral character. Yes, they do, when it is pointed out, and in discussion they add in the category. Reluctantly, and with bad grace, as you do here, claiming that it is less important. Yet the original point is that Haidt did not include it, and in most online discussions, liberals are very willing to say they have only the two categories - until you call them on it. Then they squirm when you point out that there isn't much intellectual weight behind much of it. It's feeling. Which is okay as far as it goes, but then you can't pretend that you are the rational one, in counterpoint to your opponents.<br /><br />You seem to skim instead of reading - or at least, reading to understand the opposing argument. Even if I were dead wrong in my points, that would not be evidence for dishonesty. Nor would any wrong comments of yours, except when we consider the following:<br /><br />The use of the word "droll" is evidence for another of my favorite points: liberals prefer to argue by sneer, and letting people know they just aren't socially with it, because being socially with it is the actual foundation of liberal beliefs. Time and again, the argument is that nonliberals are just not good people somehow. As here. Thanks for the great example.Assistant Village Idiothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978011985085795099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19305198.post-92107550230710066462014-01-05T22:29:08.831-05:002014-01-05T22:29:08.831-05:00The category that Haidt omits is honesty and intel...The category that Haidt omits is honesty and intellectual integrity, which is where the right fails the most ... and this piece contains numerous examples.<br /><br />"He has since attempted to refine and categorise the differences. Most controversially, liberals apply two axes to moral reasoning, conservatives apply five (now six). This lead to irate liberals insisting that the other 3-4 axes were stupid and unnecessary"<br /><br />How droll ... the added category is liberty/oppression, which Haidt ascribes to both the left and right.<br /><br />"while conservatives glowered that this proved what they had been saying about the moral blindness of liberals all along"<br /><br />Liberals do feel that obedience to authority just because it's authority, or loyalty to a group just because it's one's own group, are not <i>moral</i> demands. If we are blind to such "morality", we're glad of it. The final category is has to do with purity and disgust ... this isn't as strong and consistent a component of liberal judgment as for righties, but they would generally agree that their revulsion to those things they find disgusting does have a moral character.<br />jqbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07510836914645398165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19305198.post-76068991518037639412014-01-05T22:24:33.211-05:002014-01-05T22:24:33.211-05:00The category that Haidt omits is honesty and intel...The category that Haidt omits is honesty and intellectual integrity, which is where the right fails the most ... and this piece contains numerous examples.<br /><br />"He has since attempted to refine and categorise the differences. Most controversially, liberals apply two axes to moral reasoning, conservatives apply five (now six). This lead to irate liberals insisting that the other 3-4 axes were stupid and unnecessary"<br /><br />How droll ... the added category is liberty/oppression, which Haidt ascribes to both the left and right.<br /><br />"while conservatives glowered that this proved what they had been saying about the moral blindness of liberals all along"<br /><br />Liberals do feel that obedience to authority just because it's authority, or loyalty to a group just because it's one's own group, are not <i>moral</i> demands. If we are blind to such "morality", we're glad of it. The final category is has to do with purity and disgust ... this isn't as strong and consistent a component of liberal judgment as for righties, but they would generally agree that their revulsion to those things they find disgusting does have a moral character.<br />jqbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07510836914645398165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19305198.post-68355129092486415072012-12-04T01:54:54.021-05:002012-12-04T01:54:54.021-05:00It occurs to me that the order in which you place ...It occurs to me that the order in which you place your moral axes is very similar to what happens in some heresthetic arguments. Each 'boundary' you place reduces the possible decision space. Eventually all your 'rules may leave you with no space which can contain a decision that is acceptable. Then what?JorgXMcKiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07509568525555189690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19305198.post-63605791934892261312012-12-02T14:19:57.513-05:002012-12-02T14:19:57.513-05:00I've read The Righteous Mind and Haidt has sta...I've read The Righteous Mind and Haidt has stayed the path. It is good to see someone who will acknowledge his own beliefs and still have the integrity to go where the data takes him and to think through the implications.<br />One problem with his online survey methodology is that it is biased towards self-selection which may miss capturing some demographic or other categories across the spectrum.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19305198.post-8454995899969668812012-12-02T09:01:55.573-05:002012-12-02T09:01:55.573-05:00I passed this along to Bad Data Bad because of it&...I passed this along to Bad Data Bad because of it's statistical connection. I pass it to you because it offers a comment on the honesty of social psychology. <br /><br />http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/12/the-data-vigilante/309172/Dubbahdeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00075702513873912334noreply@blogger.com