tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19305198.post2952238731449974075..comments2024-03-18T19:36:10.480-04:00Comments on Assistant Village Idiot: MurderersAssistant Village Idiothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01978011985085795099noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19305198.post-79269225669314349122016-06-30T17:42:31.369-04:002016-06-30T17:42:31.369-04:00So is your guess that the crazy tend not to use gu...So is your guess that the crazy tend not to use guns (whether because people keep them away from them or because they're so spontaneous), or that the legal system tends to judge that murderers who use guns aren't crazy? <br /><br />We've a lad in our town who killed his mother (my wife knew her) with a sword--he's been found incompetent, and everybody agreed on that. Another fellow started shooting up a prom a couple of months ago. (A friend of mine knew him and his family.) I have a gut feeling that if he'd survived he'd have had a harder row to hoe to get a plea of incompetence accepted--bringing along a gun suggests premeditation, and whether reasonably or not that seems to have connotations of competence. To be fair, the first fellow had been diagnosed long ago, but something about using a sword, when other weapons seem much handier, seems off. jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01792036361407527304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19305198.post-30978800644756843542016-06-30T09:07:39.488-04:002016-06-30T09:07:39.488-04:00Christopher B: yes, you are completely correct. Wh...Christopher B: yes, you are completely correct. While the chances of dying via firearm have gone slightly up in the past few years, the chances of being <i>murdered</i> using a firearm have dropped precipitously:<br /><br />https://graphpaperdiaries.com/2016/06/29/projections-predictions-and-guns-vs-cars/<br /><br />Suicides account for about 2/3rds of overall gun deaths.<br /><br />From my quick and dirty glance at the data though, about 2/3rds of all USA homicides are gun related. <br /><br />So to SJs point, it may be that those people don't end up in the mental health system. A large number of those murders were likely done around other crime (robberies, gang violence, etc) so they wouldn't hit the mental health system. bs kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02871717971078952304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19305198.post-1098860799403883712016-06-30T07:03:32.254-04:002016-06-30T07:03:32.254-04:00My impression is that your experience matches the ...My impression is that your experience matches the data. IIRC you have to add suicide by firearm to get real scary numbers of gun deaths.<br /><br />To SJ's first questions, if you aren't in a particular socio-ethno-economic group your chances of dying by gun homicide are pretty small. Most of that group would probably wind up incarcerated rather than in a mental hospital.Christopher Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00396671757183163171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19305198.post-8834502713215186492016-06-30T01:01:38.315-04:002016-06-30T01:01:38.315-04:00Mixed. A few very, very ill; a few not very diffe...Mixed. A few very, very ill; a few not very different from everyone else.Assistant Village Idiothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978011985085795099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19305198.post-7212821529693908672016-06-29T23:00:57.279-04:002016-06-29T23:00:57.279-04:00The kind of murderers who use weapons like guns te...The kind of murderers who use weapons like guns tend not to end up in the care of the psychological hospital?<br /><br />Or that there are a large number of homocides-by-non-weapons, and you saw a representative sample of them?<br /><br />You mention two stabbings. This factor may bring in a squishy "it depends" category, on whether or not the knife was a "weapon". From the perspective of the victim, a properly sharp steak-knife is as dangerous as a switchblade. Yet most people won't mentally classify the knife-rack in the kitchen as a collection of bladed weapons.<br /><br />On the psychological side: were these people stereo-typical murderers, or not? <br /><br />Stereo-typically crazy, or simply with just enough evidence to be not-competant-to-stand-trial?<br />SJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12043843405366080460noreply@blogger.com