tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19305198.post145863112579129435..comments2024-03-27T03:19:11.216-04:00Comments on Assistant Village Idiot: On Not Being CS LewisAssistant Village Idiothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01978011985085795099noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19305198.post-10139315019271550042014-06-10T09:23:46.785-04:002014-06-10T09:23:46.785-04:00Wow, there's nothing like giving into a little...Wow, there's nothing like giving into a little spate of querulousness in print about someone I think I'll never meet, and who will never read what I say, and then having him be polite about reading it, to remind me to be more tactful and constructive.<br /><br />The linked piece makes a good point--Lewis knew it, too--about the difficulty of announcing Christ's cure to people who don't start with a conviction that anything's ill. On the other hand, I've found that most people come to a point in their lives sooner or later when they can't avoid the knowledge that something's badly wrong. They experience a remorse that tortures them, or they stumble across human wickedness they can't face, or they simply can't bear any longer the idea that their lives are a meaningless materialism. Then the Gospel stops sounding like an annoying Church Lady and starts sounding like Good News.<br /><br />That's my experience today, as it seems to have been in Lewis's day; he was an atheist in youth and was surrounded by either outright atheists or people's whose religion was entirely rote. Even in Christ's time, some of His countrymen knew they'd fallen short and always would fall short of the Law, while others were complacently certain that they'd be fine as long as they jumped through all the right daily hoops. We're not the only time and place dominated by a cheerful materialism, at least among the physically and socially comfortable.Texan99https://www.blogger.com/profile/10479561573903660086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19305198.post-29504263856475478692014-06-10T03:58:52.413-04:002014-06-10T03:58:52.413-04:00Hello. I really didn't mean to suggest that t...Hello. I really didn't mean to suggest that there was anything wrong with the value that you (and for that matter, I) set on Lewis. I've tried to clarify what I meant, here -<br /><br />http://unapologetic-book.tumblr.com/post/88263092204/on-not-being-c-s-lewis-a-footnote<br /><br />FrancisFrancis Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03986832209664099168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19305198.post-36723525996448496522014-06-06T20:08:33.035-04:002014-06-06T20:08:33.035-04:00Our rector is a very mild, inoffensive kind of guy...Our rector is a very mild, inoffensive kind of guy. He's fine, and has a warm heart and an orthodox faith (this being the rural Texas version of the Episcopal church). He would never argue or dispute with anyone. Now and then, though, we get a visiting rector to preach during vacations or whatever. There is one I particularly enjoy: not a fire-and-brimstone argumentative fellow, but deeply mystical and quite uncompromising about our duties, which is somewhat unusual in an Episcopalian church.<br /><br />There's usually a lot of emphasis on tolerance and generosity, but not much about the duty to do anything really scary or difficult, or to sacrifice anything really important. Fortunately, the liturgy is strongly based in scripture, so you can't help hearing some tough messages directly from the Old and New Testaments, where they weren't into mincing words.<br /><br />Well, didacticism can be very off-putting if it's smug or condescending, but I like a good, respectful argument with someone who doesn't ascribe to the philosophy that nothing is really right or wrong. C.S. Lewis could be sharp-tongued, but I read his arguments, fictional and otherwise, with great enjoyment.Texan99https://www.blogger.com/profile/10479561573903660086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19305198.post-44120423549915920452014-06-06T18:37:25.108-04:002014-06-06T18:37:25.108-04:00T99 - I become increasingly aware how few people l...T99 - I become increasingly aware how few people like open argument. That aw-shucks manner of preaching is very popular with some people (including some folks I like very much.) They are usually reacting against a very didactic style of evangelicalism, I gather.<br /><br />It is hard for me to listen to because it takes so long to get to the point. Such peregrination strikes me as evasive, trying to maintain plausible deniability if someone gets offended.<br /><br />But I have to admit, bluntness isn't all that popular in my circles these days. Or mine isn't, at any rate.Assistant Village Idiothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978011985085795099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19305198.post-22169016068169125122014-06-06T00:52:35.221-04:002014-06-06T00:52:35.221-04:00No doubt being too argumentative is a failing, but...No doubt being too argumentative is a failing, but there are those of us out there who respond better to open argument than to that self-consciously unargumentative persona that Spufford projects--all that hands-in-the-pockets mincing and swaying and "Em," as if he didn't want anyone to think he was uncool enough to make clear moral pronouncements.<br /><br />Considering his era and background, it's kind of amazing that C.S. Lewis could speak to someone like me at all. He had some ideas about the subordination of women, for instance, that are never going to fly with me. Nevertheless, it does me good to consider the humility he proposes, and in most respects he totally has my number even across the distance between his culture and mine.<br /><br />Did you get the sense that a lot of that aw-shucks extended buildup was an excuse for Spufford to read out loud the confessional passage he secretly hoped everyone would prefer to the average Lewis screed? It was rather nice in a minor way, but I've already nearly forgotten it, whereas Lewis's works have a way of sticking. Honestly, isn't Spufford really just a bit annoyed that his books still can't outsell those of his antiquated rival, even though his circle all agree that Lewis isn't quite the thing?Texan99https://www.blogger.com/profile/10479561573903660086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19305198.post-15215632122706462172014-06-05T20:05:26.606-04:002014-06-05T20:05:26.606-04:00Korora - Christians are sometimes guilty of the sa...Korora - Christians are sometimes guilty of the same fallacy. Thank you for naming it properly - I wasn't thinking anywhere near that precisely.<br /><br />I wasn't thinking precisely at all for this post, maybe. I think I shall surround the topic with related items rather than attack it directly.Assistant Village Idiothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978011985085795099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19305198.post-74467899798337505702014-06-05T13:06:55.494-04:002014-06-05T13:06:55.494-04:00And the Westboro card is an association fallacy (A...And the Westboro card is an association fallacy (A believes X and takes it to degree Y, therefore everyone who believes X takes it to degree Y).Kororahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06208444799799287420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19305198.post-52013026727249475182014-06-05T00:08:00.027-04:002014-06-05T00:08:00.027-04:00Now, as an agnostic (who is often tempted to lean ...Now, as an agnostic (who is often tempted to lean toward atheism), I find all this downright funny. <br /><br />CS Lewis is one of the reasons I stay agnostic. He's also the one I point my more... well, I don't know what word I want to use here -- militaristic or evangelical or squishy -- religious relatives toward. <br /><br />Perhaps the reason I like reading him is that it's so obvious he understood humans. Whether he understood Christianity... I'm certainly not qualified to say.<br /><br />Donna B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16771075314473811594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19305198.post-4248550117548615372014-06-04T23:50:40.011-04:002014-06-04T23:50:40.011-04:00I had the impression that the "burned over di...I had the impression that the "burned over districts" were ones that had had "revival" crusades so often that there was nobody left who would respond to the appeal, either because the emotional appeal left them cold or because they'd been caught up in it a time or two and were disillusioned. (Jesus taught about shallow soil; it seems that some preachers toss out shallow seed.)<br />That didn't mean people wouldn't respond to other approaches: some apparently did. But the emotional appeal approach was tapped out.<br /><br />Maybe some of the specific "Pictures" (Pilgrim's Regress) Lewis used are a little played out. OK. Same answers, different pictures; coming up.<br /><br />Some time back Grim posted a retelling of the gospel written for war-loving pagans circa 900 plus or minus a couple centuries. It took some serious liberties to try to make the story appealing to men who didn't like any weakness. I don't know what the result was, but I'd bet it didn't change their attitudes much. Sensing linked to this: http://donjohnsonministries.org/sexual-immorality-and-five-other-reasons-people-reject-christianity/ . The fashionable sins may change, but there's going to be an irreducible amount of resistance that no outside argument or explanation or image is going to address.jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01792036361407527304noreply@blogger.com